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Ok google connection is working, NOW is i think yet to be implemented.

But right now what is the way of importing historical data specially tick data from NT format text file ? Google, i guess dont give tick and future data.
Without tick data support custom bar types cant be coded.

You can connect to NOW/Nest Trader.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJrrXId9IEg

Now does not supports historical data. Only RT. Try connecting in market hours.
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You can connect to NOW/Nest Trader.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJrrXId9IEg

Now does not supports historical data. Only RT. Try connecting in market hours.

OK.

So ,can it send and manage orders to NOW or right now only extract RT data ?
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Played around a little bit with the app. Initial Impressions - Seriously Awesome!!!

IMO this app is one of the most interesting developments that I've come across in recent times!!! Has the potential to evolve into an end-to-end turnkey solution for traders in the Indian context, if all goes according to as envisaged/ attempted by the developer. And am sure, that with Joy behind the driving controls, it will do so.

That having been said, there is likely to be an associated steep learning curve to be negotiated, as well as fill in the blanks with various li'll bits n pieces of improvements. Am aware that this is merely v.1 and is kind of a prelude to (better) things yet to be unveiled, still some constructive critique to enable future development,

1. Charting is fairly rudimentary - Has no zoom in-out function. In live trading it is helpful to see where the price has historically been by zooming out to a birds' eye view prior to zooming in for the micro finesse. Indicator library is (presently) woefully sparse. Indicator does not track-in with the chart while scrolling vertically. Multi-timeframe overlays are either not yet implemented or are not intuitively configurable. The choice of implementation of regional fonts and symbols (in addition to a standard line for indicators) is a nice touch.

2. Databases - As the help instructions are more adequately populated by and by, this will become clearer, but as of now the ability to import ticker symbols needs to be instructed as well as the process for importing the databases (separately for intraday as well as EOD) exported by other widely used TA platforms viz. ami, ninja, mt4, metastock etc needs to be explained/ implemented.

3. Help Instructions/ Flash videos - Need of the hour!!! The more, the merrier AND the faster, the better!!!

Note: Would be amenable to pitching in for helping out with the same, if required.

The exploration of features pertaining to order execution and management has been put on hold till live market activity, and the leisure to test the same, permits. However did note the OCO feature!!! This is an auspicious start!!! Have been pointing this out for quite a while to developers in the hope that they might listen - Notwithstanding the non implementation of these commonly used conditional orders (OCO, OCA, OSO etc) by the exchanges in India (as yet), it is entirely possible to implement these orders by an appropriately driven middleman workstation!!! Am happy to see that at least one developer sees the solution on the same lines as moi!!!

Its nice to see an Indian version akin to the IB TWS being developed, this augurs good tidings for traders in future!!!

Despite the development being in the early stages, comparisons to widely used industry leader TA platforms are inevitable. This is not necessarily a bad thing. For one, it gives an already established & expected benchmark to aim for. For the other, the implementation of similar features will enable smoother user ease of transference and enable shortening of the (steep) learning curve.

Kudos n Regards,

P.S - @ Joy - Would like to see the Data Manager module and the Order Management module as standalone add-ins capable of linking with other TA platforms for data feed plus order execution & management (my personal bias is for ami ) in the interim, while ArthaChitra is on the march to attain its full potential. This will also address a wider base of users to attain familiarity and comfort level with the platform and its features.

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OK.

So ,can it send and manage orders to NOW or right now only extract RT data ?

Only data and simulated trades as of now. No live order execution. That has to wait for version 2 or later.

The main problem is there are no robust order management API (san Interactive Brokers) on which a robust order entry mechanism can be built.
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Played around a little bit with the app. Initial Impressions - Seriously Awesome!!!

IMO this app is one of the most interesting developments that I've come across in recent times!!! Has the potential to evolve into an end-to-end turnkey solution for traders in the Indian context, if all goes according to as envisaged/ attempted by the developer. And am sure, that with Joy behind the driving controls, it will do so.

That having been said, there is likely to be an associated steep learning curve to be negotiated, as well as fill in the blanks with various li'll bits n pieces of improvements. Am aware that this is merely v.1 and is kind of a prelude to (better) things yet to be unveiled, still some constructive critique to enable future development,

1. Charting is fairly rudimentary - Has no zoom in-out function. In live trading it is helpful to see where the price has historically been by zooming out to a birds' eye view prior to zooming in for the micro finesse. Indicator library is (presently) woefully sparse. Indicator does not track-in with the chart while scrolling vertically. Multi-timeframe overlays are either not yet implemented or are not intuitively configurable. The choice of implementation of regional fonts and symbols (in addition to a standard line for indicators) is a nice touch.

2. Databases - As the help instructions are more adequately populated by and by, this will become clearer, but as of now the ability to import ticker symbols needs to be instructed as well as the process for importing the databases (separately for intraday as well as EOD) exported by other widely used TA platforms viz. ami, ninja, mt4, metastock etc needs to be explained/ implemented.

3. Help Instructions/ Flash videos - Need of the hour!!! The more, the merrier AND the faster, the better!!!

Note: Would be amenable to pitching in for helping out with the same, if required.

The exploration of features pertaining to order execution and management has been put on hold till live market activity, and the leisure to test the same, permits. However did note the OCO feature!!! This is an auspicious start!!! Have been pointing this out for quite a while to developers in the hope that they might listen - Notwithstanding the non implementation of these commonly used conditional orders (OCO, OCA, OSO etc) by the exchanges in India (as yet), it is entirely possible to implement these orders by an appropriately driven middleman workstation!!! Am happy to see that at least one developer sees the solution on the same lines as moi!!!

Its nice to see an Indian version akin to the IB TWS being developed, this augurs good tidings for traders in future!!!

Despite the development being in the early stages, comparisons to widely used industry leader TA platforms are inevitable. This is not necessarily a bad thing. For one, it gives an already established & expected benchmark to aim for. For the other, the implementation of similar features will enable smoother user ease of transference and enable shortening of the (steep) learning curve.

Kudos n Regards,

P.S - @ Joy - Would like to see the Data Manager module and the Order Management module as standalone add-ins capable of linking with other TA platforms for data feed plus order execution & management (my personal bias is for ami ) in the interim, while ArthaChitra is on the march to attain its full potential. This will also address a wider base of users to attain familiarity and comfort level with the platform and its features.

Hello rmike,
Thanks for your kind words and your encouragement.

You can increase/decrease the bar width and bar space. this will emulate zooming.
Code:
CTRL + Up Arrow = Increase bar width 
CTRL + Down Arrow = Decrease bar width
ALT + Up Arrow = Increase bar space
ALT + Down Arrow = Decrease bar space
And let me add, you can code custom ChartStyle in ArthaChitra. Please look into the folders:
~Documents\ArthaChitra 1\SharpScript\ChartStyle
and
~Documents\ArthaChitra 1\Xaml Resource\ChartStyle
for the corrosponding Xaml file.


I will add more indicators, however the basic idea is to present a robust platform, where users chip in and create and share their indicators.

Please make sure "Is Overlay" is not checked in the indicator settings. this will make sure the indicators are in sync when scrolling.

Please refer to these posts which further illustrates on how to create/import instruments
http://www.arthachitra.com/support/f...c.php?f=22&t=8
http://www.arthachitra.com/support/f...c.php?f=22&t=7

Yes, I agree. Will be creating instructional videos/manuals in the coming days.

Live order entry is not enabled/coded as of now. It will have to wait for next version. You can however submit simulated trades as of now.

Thanks again for your support.
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Code:
CTRL + Up Arrow = Increase bar width 
CTRL + Down Arrow = Decrease bar width
ALT + Up Arrow = Increase bar space
ALT + Down Arrow = Decrease bar space
And let me add, you can code custom ChartStyle in ArthaChitra. Please look into the folders:
~Documents\ArthaChitra 1\SharpScript\ChartStyle
and
~Documents\ArthaChitra 1\Xaml Resource\ChartStyle
for the corrosponding Xaml file.

Thanks. Also discovered that CTRL + Mouse Wheel contracts/ expands vertical scroll

Custom coding for ChartStyle would involve requisite coding knowledge and as yet am wary of messing about with the nuts n bolts. Users experienced with the implemented coding language can probably demonstrate by example.

Have perused the database related help info. A one time labour intensive procedure for the same appears to be inescapable. Can an ASCII importer, on the lines of ami, to fill in the 'zeros and ones' plus appending the '-EQ' & '.NS' for tickers belonging to a common category for e.g equities be thought of?!
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I am a bit disappointed now, not because there is no order management mechanism. I knew that it is not (easy ) possible without APIs. But given your magical skill , i got little optimist on this and some other things.

Well main reason for my personal disappointment are ,

First, there is no option to import historical tick data from own txt files. Most of us care to save tick data for future R&D from sources like Sharekhan,eSignal or Odin. Given Arthachitra can get tick data from NOW ( and dont know eSignal connection is supported right now or not ) only during market hour which is prone to missing ticks in absence of no backfill from NOW on occasions of internet disconnection. So to complete and rectify data we usually import tick data from Odin/Sharekhan/eSignal etc.
So summary of problem 1 is - Historical tick data import is must , which in turn is must must for any custom bar formation.

Second, why should i ( not i - but a trader ) use and prefer Arthachitra over NT ? Will it be worth rewarding re-inventing the wheel ?

Please accept it as genuine concern and healthy criticism.
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Have perused the database related help info. A one time labour intensive procedure for the same appears to be inescapable. Can an ASCII importer, on the lines of ami, to fill in the 'zeros and ones' plus appending the '-EQ' & '.NS' for tickers belonging to a common category for e.g equities be thought of?!

rmike,
thats what the Import Instrument feature are for. You have to format the txt file as defined.
http://www.arthachitra.com/support/f...c.php?f=22&t=7

basically it becomes much easier if you could make a script (independent of ArthaChitra) to append the txt file to the desired format.
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I am a bit disappointed now, not because there is no order management mechanism. I knew that it is not (easy ) possible without APIs. But given your magical skill , i got little optimist on this and some other things.

Well main reason for my personal disappointment are ,

First, there is no option to import historical tick data from own txt files. Most of us care to save tick data for future R&D from sources like Sharekhan,eSignal or Odin. Given Arthachitra can get tick data from NOW ( and dont know eSignal connection is supported right now or not ) only during market hour which is prone to missing ticks in absence of no backfill from NOW on occasions of internet disconnection. So to complete and rectify data we usually import tick data from Odin/Sharekhan/eSignal etc.
So summary of problem 1 is - Historical tick data import is must , which in turn is must must for any custom bar formation.

Second, why should i ( not i - but a trader ) use and prefer Arthachitra over NT ? Will it be worth rewarding re-inventing the wheel ?

Please accept it as genuine concern and healthy criticism.

devdas, a simple answer to all your query will be "lack of resource". I have to prioritize stuffs.

Importing data from txt file is not a big deal (to code). but first I must find that the data structure works properly or not. and this holds true for indicators, views and what not. the technology is still unproven. Given the complexity and openness of the architecture (remember I have exposed the views too) I must first know that everything works.

Sometimes back ISRO successfully launched the GSLV rocket. look essentially its a 50+ years old technology. Why waste time on it. thats one way of looking at things. another way would be, we, as a developing country, became the 5th (or 6th) country to do so. a bit of catching up, and you never know. thats the beauty of knowledge.

your thoughts are always welcome. much appreciated for speaking your mind.

P.S. - would request have a peep into the CustomPlot indicator that comes natively with ArthaChitra.
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First thing first, a user guide is a must. Please give us one before we try to test this s/w.
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