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On the contrary, the avg Indian works harder than their Western counterparts (& that too for much lower salaries/wages) Frivolous activities are much less. Education wise, there's no dearth of degree holders in India (this is one area where we will certainly leave the West behind by far in future), but the quality of education is avg to poor nor is it as widespread as it ought to be.

Here in my part of India, most people are plain unprofessional and not willing to put in proper hard work. I do not know about other parts of India. It is not that everyone is like that, but a big percentage of the population will typically only do the bare minimum required to get the task done. Taking short cuts is a common thing and mostly it ends up in shoddy work. This extends to all kinds of work. Goood workers are extremely hard to find.

As far as education is concerned, here in India, most of us are bothered only about getting a degree and not much more from our school/college education. I have dealt with so many people who have done college degrees in english medium and who can not even write a simple mail in english language. Most people seem to just study enough to get a degree.

Try to interview freshers for a software developer job profile to get a taste of how good/bad most of the new degree holders are. I have had at least one case during campus interviews, where an entire college batch of 200+ students did not know most of the basic stuff that was in their syllabus. Forget anything more complicated.

Ask any fresher about their college project and you will find that most of them have copied one from their seniors. The better students did "research" on google and found something different. But it is surprising to see that hardly any student does a original project these days.

Compare the way most of us got a college degree in India to the way people get a college degree in the US and you will find a vast gap in our education standards. Companies doing market analysis might give numbers for new college degree holders and engineers that pass out of indian educational institutions. But in reality the percentage of these people who have actually been able to study anything in those courses is quite low.

Quality of talent is a major source of worry for most industries in India. Finding quality talent, training them and then retaining them are major hassles for almost annyone running a business in India.

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Here in my part of India, most people are plain unprofessional and not willing to put in proper hard work. I do not know about other parts of India. It is not that everyone is like that, but a big percentage of the population will typically only do the bare minimum required to get the task done. Taking short cuts is a common thing and mostly it ends up in shoddy work. This extends to all kinds of work. Goood workers are extremely hard to find.

As far as education is concerned, here in India, most of us are bothered only about getting a degree and not much more from our school/college education. I have dealt with so many people who have done college degrees in english medium and who can not even write a simple mail in english language. Most people seem to just study enough to get a degree.

Try to interview freshers for a software developer job profile to get a taste of how good/bad most of the new degree holders are. I have had at least one case during campus interviews, where an entire college batch of 200+ students did not know most of the basic stuff that was in their syllabus. Forget anything more complicated.

Ask any fresher about their college project and you will find that most of them have copied one from their seniors. The better students did "research" on google and found something different. But it is surprising to see that hardly any student does a original project these days.

Compare the way most of us got a college degree in India to the way people get a college degree in the US and you will find a vast gap in our education standards. Companies doing market analysis might give numbers for new college degree holders and engineers that pass out of indian educational institutions. But in reality the percentage of these people who have actually been able to study anything in those courses is quite low.

Quality of talent is a major source of worry for most industries in India. Finding quality talent, training them and then retaining them are major hassles for almost annyone running a business in India.

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agreed.

and ya, its same here in this part too.
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For those who are interested in The BRIC report ( 2003) of Goldman Sachs.
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another 1000 eons required for the Third world to become the first world.
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Or both reaches an equilibrium lvl that's somewhere in between The distribution gets more normal :smile:
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That would be possible if the talent exodus stops from our country.
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We'll have plenty to spare In fact even if we had the perfect infrastructure to nurture talent, the worry would be 'How to accommodate so many?' Moreover, as the Re/$ gap narrows, there'll be less (monitary) motivation to leave the country.
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In the 1980s, anyone who went out of india was deemed a failure, crazy or had family commitments if they got back to India. The situation is quite different today.

In the past 5 years, I have known many people leave jobs in western countries and come back to India.

I have a cousin who shifted from the UK branch of a MNC to gurgaon at roughly the same absolute salary.

A friend of mine had to shift back to India from the US due to visa issues and after being depressed for a few months, he has now decided to not get back to the US. His primary reason being that he has better quality of work here in India and that he makes roughly the same in India in terms of general purchasing power parity.

A few years back Nokia India's CEO was given a promotion and sent to singapore. He considered it a career limiting move as the India assignment was a better one as per him.

These are just some of the examples I can think off hand. Try to look deeper and you will find tons more such examples amongst people you know. The reverse brain drain is already happening at a slow rate, and the rate will only increase over the next few years.

India is one of those countries which has huge untapped potential for growth. Most western countries are in the state where future growth will be very low. India may not catch up with USA, Japan or even China, but with sustained growth of even 8% pa, we would have a significantly better country in another 10-20 years.

On a personal front, while I definitely do not find India to be anywhere close to the western countries. I find that the growth potential of India makes India the best place for me to continue my career.

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Previously Researchers and Scientists were devoid of funding and Lab facilities.
Nowadays Our companies have International standards and funding is not a problem.
Only thing Government should allot more funds for research at University levels like US.
More private funding (with no strings attached) is also needed.
Then our Brainy fellows will stay here.We will have more Inventions , more Patent rights and ofcourse more number of Nobel Laureates.
After second world war Germnay and Japan got US funding whereas our country was looted more than two centuries.
Kohinoor is gone.Peacock Throne.Even Tippu's Tiger also.These are just tip of the iceberg.Warren Hastings and his like ,while returning to England took a huge sum of unaccounted Money and Gold with them.
So we had to build from scratch.That is why it took so long for us to rise from our ashes.Future is bright and beckoning.
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After second world war Germnay and Japan got US funding whereas our country was looted more than two centuries.

Did you know that after second world war, all german patents were invalidated and that the american industry made a whole lot of money due to this.

The us govt also realised that by funding these countries, not allowing them to have any real army and by making them economically strong these 2 major enemies can be made friends.

But I believe also that the german and japanese economies picked up a lot because of the way the societies of these 2 countries are set up. Germany and Japan share global leadership in a lot of industries. E.g. both german and japanese companies make excellent cars. German & japanese companies are the only major players in optics. In both germany and japan trains follow the schedule to the second in most cases. Both countries are export powerhouses. etc.. etc..

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