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Budget :25k -35k
would be using 2 monitors but there should be an option to add one more when required.
Please suggest me make and also tell me about price .
Component ............... Make ............... Price
Processor
Motherboard
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HDD
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UPS,DVD Writer & Speakers I already have so plz exclude
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Update 18th July 2014: It seems like Dell does not let you customize most new desktop systems. So my suggestion of getting a dell desktop pc from their online site does not apply anymore. The rest of the advice on the assembled system still applies.

Also note that SSDs are a lot cheaper today than they were 3 years back in 2011. So I would suggest looking at getting a 128GB or bigger SSD for your main OS parttion. A 128gb Samsung 840 evo SSD will be a good buy for a budget system.


My original post below:

My Suggestion:

1. Get a Dell Desktop PC with Preinstalled Windows 7 Professional 64 bit - no headaches and u can get dell warranty for upto 3 years. Make sure that you get the system fully configured as per your specs from the Dell site and do not add stuff like extra ram, gfx card, etc from outside. This will give u a stable high quality system which will run w/o any problems and which will have good service backup. The costing of a Dell system v/s a assembled system with same components & original windows is similar.

2. If you want to assemble your own system, then here are my suggestions:

a. CPU & Motherboard - Get a 2nd Generation Intel Core i3/i5/i7 CPU. Get the cheapest CPU in a given series unless you are feeling rich. If you are not getting the cheapest i3 or i5 CPU, then get a Core i7 CPU. Get a Intel Desktop motherboard that matches your CPU, Graphics card and the ammount of RAM you want to set the system up with. Get a Core i5, unless you need to run CPU intensive apps like: Heavy Backtesting & Optimization - lasting more than 3-5 mins a run, 3D games, 3D rendering, Video transcoding (DVD->AVI, BluRay->MKV), CAD, Software Development

This part is critical: ENSURE THAT YOU GET SEALED MOTHERBOARD & CPU FROM YOUR DEALER. DO NOT ACCEPT ANY CPU OR MOTHERBOARD THAT HAS BEEN OPENED. REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY MOTHERBOARD OR CPU THAT HAS BEEN OPENED, EVEN IF IT HAS BEEN OPENED TO PUT UP A SIGNATURE. THE BOX SHOULD BE SEALED AND THE ANTI STATIC COVER SHOULD HAVE THE SEAL AND SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY CUT. Intel stuff sold in India does not require any signature on the physical piece of hardware or the box for warranty service. Make sure that the box of the CPU & Motherboard have a sticker of an official Distributor of Intel with an Indian Address.

When installing the motherboard & CPU, ensure that the person follows safe practices for handling static safe components. Being barefoot on a non carpet/wood floor does the trick nicely in Indian conditions.

b. RAM - Identify what specs of RAM are required by your motherboard. And get RAM that matches those specs. This would include type (DDR2/DR3/etc), speed (1066/1333/etc), voltage, etc - mostly a board would not accept RAM that is incompatible with it, but a lot of boards will accept slower RAM. Using incorrect RAM can cause significantly slower performance. Avoid at all costs. Most modern motherboards accept RAM either in pairs or triplets. You need to use a single size of RAM module use the number of modules required to obtain maximum performance. So if your motherboard accepts RAM in triplets, then use 3 2GB, 3 4GB modules or 6 2GB modules to get 6GB or 12GB of total system RAM. Get more RAM than you think you require, but do not put RAM modules with different sizes onto your motherboard.

c. Graphics Cards - Unless you need to play the latest & greatest 3D games with everything turned on, getting a Nvidia or ATI chipset graphics card with a 1-2 generation old chipset that is a rung or two below the top of the line chipset would be more than enough to play games. You typically do not need a accelerated 3D graphics card for most CAD & 3D animation work. For trading, you will need a graphics card only to run multi monitor setup or to drive high resolution LCD monitors. So if your primary purpose of the system is for trading, get a cheap ATI or Nvidia chipset graphics card that has 2 - 3 monitor ports. Typically 2 of these ports will be DVI & 1 will be HDMI. Do not get a graphics card that has VGA out if you are getting a new system + monitor. LCD monitors should be driven using DVI or HDMI cables.

d. HDD - I would recommend getting 2 disk drives. One SSD for boot & Apps (C and 1 regular 3.5" SATA HDD for data and media. For SSD, I would recommend getting a 80GB or larger Intel X-25M G3. For hard disk, get the biggest one that you need. I would recommend sticking to Seagate for hard disks. Other brands are good, but in general Seagate does a great job with the regular SATA disks.

e. Cabinet - Get a decent quality cabinet that has a clean interior design and which can fit all the components you require. Almost any well constructed cabinet will do the job here.

f. Power Supply - Get a good quality power supply. Ask your vendor to suggest a power supply that will work with the list of components that you have choosen. Also try and get one which has good efficiency when used below rated power. These days you get branded power supplies in India w/o a lot of issues. Do a google search for the power supply model that you intend to buy and read reviews of the model in an "International" site before you make the purchase. Do not go by reviews on Indian sites. Do not skimp on the power supply or its rating. A large number of problems related to assembled computers can be traced to a poor quality power supply. A bad power supply can cause hard disk failures and data loss.

g. Monitors - For use in Trading, you would want to have 2 or more monitors with high resolution screens. A good option is to get the Full HD 21.5" LED monitors with DVI inputs. Both LG & Samsung have models in the < 10k range. Remember to get a monitor with a DVI or a HDMI cable input. You do not want to run a LCD monitor with a VGA cable. If you need more than 1920x1080 resolution, then prices start going up real fast and you will require a dual link DVI connector on your graphics card to connect those monitors. Most mid end and higher graphics cards have dual link dvi connectors. Just make sure that your monitor & graphics cards have compatible connectors.

h. Optical Drive - A DVD burner is dirt cheap these days. Get the cheap LG or Liteon model. I do not have much idea of BD-RW & BD-ROM drives.

i. Keyboard - If you want a good quality keyboard that lasts long, then get a TVSE Gold Keyboard with cherry keys. These can withstand considerable ammount of abuse and still stay functional. If you depend on your keyboard to enter orders fast and accurately, then spend some cash on one of these keyboards. Also always keep a spare USB keyboard around for the time when your primary keyboard goes down. For trading I would not recommend Wireless keyboards and mice w/o a wired backup. RF interference is a common problem with wireless keyboards & mice and they can start acting funny at times. Best to keep a usb keyboard close by so that in case your wireless ones cause problem, you can just connect the wired one and continue working. If you do not want to spend a whole lot of money on a TVSE Gold keyboard, then Logitech keyboards are a good option. Avoid Microsoft Keyboards in India. All microsoft keyboards I have used in India have been of very poor quality and most of them last less than the Rs.100 keyboards available in Nehru Place these days.

j. Mouse - Get a Logitech wired mouse. These are good and reliable. I have been using Logitech mouse since 1987 and have never faced much problem with them. Microsoft Mouse are also of good quality and so are any of the cheaper brand mouse available in the market. Just keep a backup wired USB mouse on you to use in case of an emergency.

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Originally Posted by no1lives4ever View Post
My Suggestion:

1. Get a Dell Desktop PC with Preinstalled Windows 7 Professional 64 bit - no headaches and u can get dell warranty for upto 3 years. Make sure that you get the system fully configured as per your specs from the Dell site and do not add stuff like extra ram, gfx card, etc from outside. This will give u a stable high quality system which will run w/o any problems and which will have good service backup. The costing of a Dell system v/s a assembled system with same components & original windows is similar.

2. If you want to assemble your own system, then here are my suggestions:

a. CPU & Motherboard - Get a 2nd Generation Intel Core i3/i5/i7 CPU. Get the cheapest CPU in a given series unless you are feeling rich. If you are not getting the cheapest i3 or i5 CPU, then get a Core i7 CPU. Get a Intel Desktop motherboard that matches your CPU, Graphics card and the ammount of RAM you want to set the system up with. Get a Core i5, unless you need to run CPU intensive apps like: Heavy Backtesting & Optimization - lasting more than 3-5 mins a run, 3D games, 3D rendering, Video transcoding (DVD->AVI, BluRay->MKV), CAD, Software Development

This part is critical: ENSURE THAT YOU GET SEALED MOTHERBOARD & CPU FROM YOUR DEALER. DO NOT ACCEPT ANY CPU OR MOTHERBOARD THAT HAS BEEN OPENED. REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY MOTHERBOARD OR CPU THAT HAS BEEN OPENED, EVEN IF IT HAS BEEN OPENED TO PUT UP A SIGNATURE. THE BOX SHOULD BE SEALED AND THE ANTI STATIC COVER SHOULD HAVE THE SEAL AND SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY CUT. Intel stuff sold in India does not require any signature on the physical piece of hardware or the box for warranty service. Make sure that the box of the CPU & Motherboard have a sticker of an official Distributor of Intel with an Indian Address.

When installing the motherboard & CPU, ensure that the person follows safe practices for handling static safe components. Being barefoot on a non carpet/wood floor does the trick nicely in Indian conditions.

b. RAM - Identify what specs of RAM are required by your motherboard. And get RAM that matches those specs. This would include type (DDR2/DR3/etc), speed (1066/1333/etc), voltage, etc - mostly a board would not accept RAM that is incompatible with it, but a lot of boards will accept slower RAM. Using incorrect RAM can cause significantly slower performance. Avoid at all costs. Most modern motherboards accept RAM either in pairs or triplets. You need to use a single size of RAM module use the number of modules required to obtain maximum performance. So if your motherboard accepts RAM in triplets, then use 3 2GB, 3 4GB modules or 6 2GB modules to get 6GB or 12GB of total system RAM. Get more RAM than you think you require, but do not put RAM modules with different sizes onto your motherboard.

c. Graphics Cards - Unless you need to play the latest & greatest 3D games with everything turned on, getting a Nvidia or ATI chipset graphics card with a 1-2 generation old chipset that is a rung or two below the top of the line chipset would be more than enough to play games. You typically do not need a accelerated 3D graphics card for most CAD & 3D animation work. For trading, you will need a graphics card only to run multi monitor setup or to drive high resolution LCD monitors. So if your primary purpose of the system is for trading, get a cheap ATI or Nvidia chipset graphics card that has 2 - 3 monitor ports. Typically 2 of these ports will be DVI & 1 will be HDMI. Do not get a graphics card that has VGA out if you are getting a new system + monitor. LCD monitors should be driven using DVI or HDMI cables.

d. HDD - I would recommend getting 2 disk drives. One SSD for boot & Apps (C and 1 regular 3.5" SATA HDD for data and media. For SSD, I would recommend getting a 80GB or larger Intel X-25M G3. For hard disk, get the biggest one that you need. I would recommend sticking to Seagate for hard disks. Other brands are good, but in general Seagate does a great job with the regular SATA disks.

e. Cabinet - Get a decent quality cabinet that has a clean interior design and which can fit all the components you require. Almost any well constructed cabinet will do the job here.

f. Power Supply - Get a good quality power supply. Ask your vendor to suggest a power supply that will work with the list of components that you have choosen. Also try and get one which has good efficiency when used below rated power. These days you get branded power supplies in India w/o a lot of issues. Do a google search for the power supply model that you intend to buy and read reviews of the model in an "International" site before you make the purchase. Do not go by reviews on Indian sites. Do not skimp on the power supply or its rating. A large number of problems related to assembled computers can be traced to a poor quality power supply. A bad power supply can cause hard disk failures and data loss.

g. Monitors - For use in Trading, you would want to have 2 or more monitors with high resolution screens. A good option is to get the Full HD 21.5" LED monitors with DVI inputs. Both LG & Samsung have models in the < 10k range. Remember to get a monitor with a DVI or a HDMI cable input. You do not want to run a LCD monitor with a VGA cable. If you need more than 1920x1080 resolution, then prices start going up real fast and you will require a dual link DVI connector on your graphics card to connect those monitors. Most mid end and higher graphics cards have dual link dvi connectors. Just make sure that your monitor & graphics cards have compatible connectors.

h. Optical Drive - A DVD burner is dirt cheap these days. Get the cheap LG or Liteon model. I do not have much idea of BD-RW & BD-ROM drives.

i. Keyboard - If you want a good quality keyboard that lasts long, then get a TVSE Gold Keyboard with cherry keys. These can withstand considerable ammount of abuse and still stay functional. If you depend on your keyboard to enter orders fast and accurately, then spend some cash on one of these keyboards. Also always keep a spare USB keyboard around for the time when your primary keyboard goes down. For trading I would not recommend Wireless keyboards and mice w/o a wired backup. RF interference is a common problem with wireless keyboards & mice and they can start acting funny at times. Best to keep a usb keyboard close by so that in case your wireless ones cause problem, you can just connect the wired one and continue working. If you do not want to spend a whole lot of money on a TVSE Gold keyboard, then Logitech keyboards are a good option. Avoid Microsoft Keyboards in India. All microsoft keyboards I have used in India have been of very poor quality and most of them last less than the Rs.100 keyboards available in Nehru Place these days.

j. Mouse - Get a Logitech wired mouse. These are good and reliable. I have been using Logitech mouse since 1987 and have never faced much problem with them. Microsoft Mouse are also of good quality and so are any of the cheaper brand mouse available in the market. Just keep a backup wired USB mouse on you to use in case of an emergency.

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better avoid dell , they dont have good service back up . better option hp as a brand.
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Are SSDs actually worth the price? 20 sec boot time saving per day isn't going to be worth 8K extra. Apps aren't going to 'run' any faster, although they will load a few seconds faster (considering we're not into graphical designing or HD gaming, the difference will hardly be noticable). Extracting two years from my HDD should be sufficient for me if I was buying a new PC, since I know I'll be changing it two years later anyway. How exactly does SSD score over HDD?
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Are SSDs actually worth the price? 20 sec boot time saving per day isn't going to be worth 8K extra. Apps aren't going to 'run' any faster, although they will load a few seconds faster (considering we're not into graphical designing or HD gaming, the difference will hardly be noticable). Extracting two years from my HDD should be sufficient for me if I was buying a new PC, since I know I'll be changing it two years later anyway. How exactly does SSD score over HDD?

On a Windows machine, SSDs are the biggest speedup for normal computer useage where you have lots of apps open all the time. Windows 7 + SSD makes a windows system super responsive. Most things happen instantly with a SSD on a windows system. Regular everyday tasks like opening a MS word/excel document become much faster.

This has a lot to do with the way Windows works. On a mac, the advantage of a SSD over regular HDDs is way lesser.

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On a Windows machine, SSDs are the biggest speedup for normal computer useage where you have lots of apps open all the time. Windows 7 + SSD makes a windows system super responsive. Most things happen instantly with a SSD on a windows system. Regular everyday tasks like opening a MS word/excel document become much faster.

This has a lot to do with the way Windows works. On a mac, the advantage of a SSD over regular HDDs is way lesser.

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as i have said I need my PC for trading purpose only .
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I suppose faith is primarily using the same for charting etc purpose and he most probably uses ninja with mp/vp indicator which consumes a lot of resources.

i would recommend a i5 (or if possible i7) processor with 8Gb ram or more with a compatible mother board. do make sure there are additional slots in MB for future up-gradation.

since he will be using 2 (or 3) monitor its a good thing to go for a nvidia or similar grahpics card. also it is not to be forgotten that mp/vp indicators are graphic hungry (ninja double paints stuffs) so a good graphics card is indispensable.

a high resolution monitor is necessary if one is opening a lot of charts. higher resolution = higher realty space.

a typical i5 system would cost around 32K+. this is without any software. if a branded pc costs 2-3K more then yes its better to go for one.
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I suppose faith is primarily using the same for charting etc purpose and he most probably uses ninja with mp/vp indicator which consumes a lot of resources.

i would recommend a i5 (or if possible i7) processor with 8Gb ram or more with a compatible mother board. do make sure there are additional slots in MB for future up-gradation.

since he will be using 2 (or 3) monitor its a good thing to go for a nvidia or similar grahpics card. also it is not to be forgotten that mp/vp indicators are graphic hungry (ninja double paints stuffs) so a good graphics card is indispensable.

a high resolution monitor is necessary if one is opening a lot of charts. higher resolution = higher realty space.

a typical i5 system would cost around 32K+. this is without any software. if a branded pc costs 2-3K more then yes its better to go for one.

Intel Core i5 2500k 10500 Rs
Intel Core i7 2600k 15900 Rs
AMD Phenom II x4 840 4800 Rs
how is AMD
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I suppose faith is primarily using the same for charting etc purpose and he most probably uses ninja with mp/vp indicator which consumes a lot of resources.

i would recommend a i5 (or if possible i7) processor with 8Gb ram or more with a compatible mother board. do make sure there are additional slots in MB for future up-gradation.

since he will be using 2 (or 3) monitor its a good thing to go for a nvidia or similar grahpics card. also it is not to be forgotten that mp/vp indicators are graphic hungry (ninja double paints stuffs) so a good graphics card is indispensable.

a high resolution monitor is necessary if one is opening a lot of charts. higher resolution = higher realty space.

a typical i5 system would cost around 32K+. this is without any software. if a branded pc costs 2-3K more then yes its better to go for one.

Which RAM do you suggest.people say that xp do not support RAM above 4 GB
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I suppose faith is primarily using the same for charting etc purpose and he most probably uses ninja with mp/vp indicator which consumes a lot of resources.

i would recommend a i5 (or if possible i7) processor with 8Gb ram or more with a compatible mother board. do make sure there are additional slots in MB for future up-gradation.

since he will be using 2 (or 3) monitor its a good thing to go for a nvidia or similar grahpics card. also it is not to be forgotten that mp/vp indicators are graphic hungry (ninja double paints stuffs) so a good graphics card is indispensable.

a high resolution monitor is necessary if one is opening a lot of charts. higher resolution = higher realty space.

a typical i5 system would cost around 32K+. this is without any software. if a branded pc costs 2-3K more then yes its better to go for one.

any suggestion for graphic card and monitor make.
what should be idle monitor size when one is using multimonitor.
budget 35k max
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